A session with David Segerts

About the same time as Uranium City, Saskatchewan, was becoming a city (of 5,000 souls) David Segerts was born in 1960 and grew up to see the place there turn into a ghost town. His hometown basically shutdown in 1982, but David was ready to move on then anyway.

"I am a Dene/Cree, but I generally say I am Dene because I look almost exactly like my father," and he shows a picture that proves it. David is the spitting image of his Dene father. "I dropped out of school when I was in grade 8," and went back for adult upgrading by the age of 25 at Alberta Vocational Centre in Calgary.

He said AVC was a good learning experience although the facility lacked a First Nation student organization, so he helped put one together. "We held dances, fundraisers, and hosted a room that the school donated," which became a gathering place for all nations and a useful foot in the door for First Nation students.

A short time later David Segerts began to study the tactics known as lateral violence, which are used in oppression and especially systemic racism. It is this lateral violence that explains the extraordinary incarceration rates and recidivism in crime of the First Nation people of Canada. Nearly 50 percent of the prisoners in Canada either male or female are First Nation or Aboriginal people.

For these kinds of disparities to exist in a segment of society the problems have to run very deep indeed. "Lateral violence goes on in every First Nation organization and starts with arguments like, 'My family is better than theirs,'" he said. Lateral violence is an important tool used by the purveyors of oppression or systemic racism.

It is important, "to get us fighting amongst each other. We are actually born into it, however," because the system is designed that way, "Public awareness is the only way to address it," said Segerts. "The methods of lateral violence include, backstabbing, gossip, infighting, shaming, humiliating, damaging comments, belittling, and sometimes violent behaviour."

Other terms for what is happening to First Nations in Canada include auto-genocide and horizontal violence, he said. These terms are applied mostly to the members of oppressed groups in society, he explained, "I didn't really understand lateral violence until I was about 30 years of age. I rarely discussed it until I did the research first," said Segerts. "It is designed to prevent efforts to heal the effects of oppression."

Lateral violence teaches people to disrespect and deny the rights of an oppressed group, to destroy the values and beliefs. Practitioners will engage in infighting, faulting finding, and scapegoating, raising the stakes of competition via jealousy and envy. The attacks are made upon those who already possess low self esteem and the attacks lower a person's self worth.

Ultimately the goal is to make the victim take the blame for the continuous putdowns, "This is the nature of oppression," said Segerts. It is a denial of their self and humanity. "They think they have become objects unworthy of respect.  They fail from the inability to recognize themselves as a human being. They become convinced that the oppressor owns them, and often the oppressor does own them including through financial dependencies upon welfare and personal dependencies upon drugs or alcohol.

“When my son was 11 years old I brought him to Vancouver to live with me, and after a few short weeks, he told me, ‘Dad, I didn’t realize that Indians didn’t drink. I didn’t realize the Indian men work.’” It was another stunning learning experience about lateral violence for David the father who has never spent time languishing on welfare programs but knows on reserves and in some urban communities it can become a long-running generational trap.

“People who feel dependent suffer a lack of personal power. When they lose power they will see their cultural identity eliminated and be unable to stop it,” he said. Many times the First Nations in Canada have been known to hide their own beliefs or adopt the beliefs of an oppressing society. “They were dislocated from the land, and suffered breakdown of family structure during the Residential School years. Indigenous people were removed from families at age four in some cases, only to be afflicted with physical, mental, sexual, and social abuses.”

His own mother had a safety pin jammed through her tongue by nuns at one such school, then was made to sit facing a corner in a classroom for speaking her Cree language. “There were many children killed by torture,” he rightly asserts, “Families were disrupted by one child being raised in a Catholic school and another being raised in a United Church run school. In fact the Residential School system was a highly specialized form of lateral violence.”

The lateral violence design for First Nations people results in a distrust of First Nation leaders by their own people. “It results in a distrust of those who might emerge to help. Rising stars are severely restricted or punished. Leaders who make any difference are fired and persecuted. Incompetent leaders are recruited and promoted by the oppressors. Dividing and conquering is the main process used by the oppressors.”

Segerts intends to write a book with a biographical story line. He was later trained as a technical engineer at BCIT and NAIT, then, while living in Vancouver, he entered the film industry, first as an actor, then as a producer and director. Today he is employed on a youth employment initiative that operates in Canada for First Nations. Remember the name, because the book will be a heckuva a good read.

 

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